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Sep 17, 2009

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Matt Jacobs

I love that you read the terms of service. I award this post three tastykakes.

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Hey Michael, this is Trevor from Udorse. I'm sorry you had to paw through the legalese - I've been working on a human-readable version of the tos, but it got bumped in the runup to TechCrunch by things like making sure our servers didn't melt.

Anyway, we need consent from everyone in a picture because people have what's known as a publicity right that means you can't sell their image (for example, by using it in an ad, even one you make yourself) without their permission. We asked our lawyers and everything. (That was expensive) We're certainly not going to sue anybody for not getting signed permission slips, but we need to be able to take pictures down if someone who's in one complains.

The good news is, we think we've worked out at least a partial workflow solution. Part 2 of the tos ("License Grant") grants Udorse and other users a license to use your likeness (and therefore you one to use theirs) so if the people in your photos are already Udorse users, you know you're covered. We even had the lawyers narrow the scope so that we can't sell your pictures to a third party, which certainly wasn't in the first draft we got from them.

It's a tough balance to strike to be able to pay users and still respect everyone's privacy. But we actually are trying to be innovative along that axis. Either way, it's got to be an improvement over trying to negotiate endorsement deals on your own.

Let me know if you've got any further thoughts; we've put a lot of though into trying to make this work, but we're always open to ways to do it better.

Trevor

co-founder, Udorse

Michael Sippey

Trevor -- thanks for stopping by! I was clearly just trying to have some fun with this, but as someone who has some responsibility for thinking about these things in my day job, I actually do occasionally read terms before accepting them...

I think I understand the core of the issue you're outlining here -- that if you don't include this section, then I could just photoshop me, my favorite celebrity and my favorite product in a photo together, upload it to Udorse, tag it and start earning $$ from the revenue. And that would put you guys in a position of liability for unauthorized celebrity endorsements, etc.

As you point out, a plain language attachment or FAQ that lives alongside the TOS would be helpful here, obviously. And of course, if you do get everyone of my Facebook friends to be Udorse members, then you're covered. Which leads to the viral solution, which is having the app encouraging users to tag their friends in the photograph and invite them to join Udorse so everyone's informed and covered...which will most likely a bunch of people getting annoyed by the app...

In the meantime, I'll stick with photos of TastyKake trucks. Because seriously, I love TastyKakes.

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